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Cubase Dongles (which Color? Which Version?)
chrisNova777:
--- Quote from: foksadure on June 09, 2016, 06:23:48 PM ---New addition to the family : a Cubase Score red dongle, scored for a few euros. Pun intended. :P
Works like a charm with Cubase Score 3.05, still 16bit.
So now I can run genuine Cubase on both of my Win98SE retro-computers, one old P3-600MHz/256Meg laptop with a MOTU Midi Flyer 2x2 parallel interface, and the even older but rebuilt P3-1000MHz/512Meg beast with internal Winman 4x4/s & Audiophile2496 cards and AMT-8 serial Midi interface. Both systems exhibit the same ~2% MIDI jitter, and slightly inacurate BPM.
;D
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i also have a winman 4x4/s! you run that at the same time as the AMT-8?? :o do they both work at the same time?
not to mention the Audiophile also has MIDI interface 1x1 on it doesnt it?
i dont have a pc-midi flyer but i do have a music quest 2portSE !!
chrisNova777:
heres pic of v3.7 (for PC) with red dongle
foksadure:
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 on November 19, 2016, 10:56:43 AM ---i also have a winman 4x4/s! you run that at the same time as the AMT-8?? :o do they both work at the same time?
not to mention the Audiophile also has MIDI interface 1x1 on it doesnt it?
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Yes, all MIDI ports are available provided you use Windows 98SE or ME, which have not the 10 MIDI ports limitation 95 had.
The cullprit is MIDI clock replication, when using software sequencers that cannot send it to more than one MIDI ports. The AMT-8 port 0 (omni) is great for this. Not all gear requires or respond to MIDI clock sync, though.
When it comes to MIDI timing, I was shocked to measure no differences between the three :
https://forum.mutable-instruments.net/t/midigal-yet-another-midipal-inspired-project/6731/111
Keep up the good work!
chrisNova777:
--- Quote ---This happens the very same week I've discovered Photek was using Cubase on Windows 3.1 for his mid-90s DnB masterpieces back then.
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there u have it - the real reason this site exists.. from my own experiments back in 2014 or so, i discovered that cubase 1.0 on windows 3.11 kicked ass and never screwed up any midi no matter what insane tempo i threw at it...
i was doing those tests on a winman 4/4s back then when i first got it.. i should repeat those tests now with my mqx-32m or my real Roland mpu-401s
yes ACPI is a serious foe of MIDI timing... i need to do more research into which motherboards allow it to be disabled completely i dont think u can completely disable it tho in any modern os past win98se as u have explained in your post here.. im foggy on the details tho as ive been distracted by my personal life lately, need to get back on the (oldschooldaw) attack ;)
im still hoping for some other people to come out of the wood work and volunteer to help with the information quest i've began - my only desired outcome is to help a new generation (and the old) rediscover the way to breathe creativity back into electronic music! with a serious belief that we've been led far far astray by the music software + hardware industries
so the red dongle works with 3.05 - did u get a copy of the installer from here? i forget if its here or not lol
the red dongle will not work with 2.80 will it?
and BTW your suspicions are 100% correct re: BX motherboards + PCI-ISA bridge. i have a similar board.. whats it called.. its an Abit/BE6 - and the winman 4/4s card did not function properly in this machine! always failed the diagnostics + behaved strangely + crashed the cubase app in windows 3.1
the same card works flawlessly when in an ISA only board. this is another reason why i put so much effort into timestamping + dating all the gear + apps on teh site.. so people can put the pieces together re: appropriate use + timing.. because its always been the case that new hardware breaks old software etc and sometimes even vice versa; with jumps ahead in technology comes new bugs + incompatibilities
foksadure:
Hey,
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 on June 05, 2017, 05:38:43 AM ---i discovered that cubase 1.0 on windows 3.11 kicked ass and never screwed up any midi no matter what insane tempo i threw at it...
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I have a very old Compaq laptop from the late 90s which I used to test Cubase 2.8 on, under Win3.11 and the MOTU MIDI Flyer. I'm not so sure the results were that great. Got to try again someday.
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 ---yes ACPI is a serious foe of MIDI timing...
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Back in the days, I used all the tricks to tweak 98SE and disable ACPI, USB, what not, on my MIDI computer. Unfortunately, any attempt to do a clean install failed ever since on this machine. So I rely on Ghost images I made as a backup.
There's a cool website for us, retrocomputer lovers :
http://win9x4ever.online.fr/index.php/telechargements
Unfortunately it's in french only. Feel free to ask if I can help.
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 ---so the red dongle works with 3.05 - did u get a copy of the installer from here? i forget if its here or not lol. the red dongle will not work with 2.80 will it?
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The red dongle covers 2.8 & 3.0x in my experience. Just depends on the version (regular, Audio, Score).
I've got the files from the genuine Steinberg CD and ftp, if you need these.
--- Quote from: chrisNova777 ---its an Abit/BE6 - and the winman 4/4s card did not function properly in this machine! always failed the diagnostics + behaved strangely + crashed the cubase app in windows 3.1
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Could'nt use the Winman 4x4/s in a Tyan 440BX Slot1 motherboard I had either back then. Same symptoms, while the Winman 2x2 I also still have was okay.
Invested in an Asus P3B-F instead, never looked back. There are a couple of NOS Intel 440BX boards on Amazon, just in case.
I also have a GadgetLabs Wave/4 ISA audio card laying around, never took the time to test drive it again and see how it goes.
Amazing work you're doing here. Really. :)
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