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Author Topic: CAKEWALK/SONAR is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!  (Read 1378 times)

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 08:23:04 AM »
This is incomprehensible and sad I think  :( Cakewalk have one of the best customer services that I have ever been in touch with, they recently helped me get an old Roland V-100 controller and Sonar VS up and running again.

I was evaluating the latest Sonar editions when this announcement came out of the blue, closing shop, good thing is that it looks like the evaluation periode have been extended for a year. Even though the user interface is a bit chubby, and maybe dated ... it still is a very nice DAW. It might still be possible to sign up for an fully working demo version, just incase anybody is interested. I'm not shure if it is still possible, but if it is ... it's a steal of a deal. (Edit#2 :It's still possible to register for a trial periode, so it hasn't become abandon-ware just yet ).

Edit : I don't think it is fair to entirely blame Gibson for this, if you look into the subject it's complex. They'r loosing money, lack of new customers, bankers and creditors etc. etc.

Edit#3 : I think what happened with Cakewalk is happening to other DAW's as well at the moment. I've been using StudioOne for awhile, but I dropped out at v3. It's to much ... you are supposed to be able to do everything ... yet end up getting nothing done. I guess that's why I'm here exploring :)
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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 02:30:29 AM »
Quote: "Edit#3 : I think what happened with Cakewalk is happening to other DAW's as well at the moment. I've been using StudioOne for awhile, but I dropped out at v3. It's to much ... you are supposed to be able to do everything ... yet end up getting nothing done."

You are correct 100%
From my experience of teaching Music Production at University for 15 years, I have seen the change.
When I first started lecturing in 2002 students were making music. By 2017 they are now collecting plug-ins and never finishing any tracks.

This is much more of a problem in Dance / Electronic Music but even Rock music is affected.

Whose fault is it?

APPLE: they bought Emagic (and stopped PC development) and started giving Logic away virtually for free, including all the extras. Just so they could sell their Macs.
Everyone else had to start including a full set of plugins to remain competitive. Even Avid had to buy AIR so they could keep Pro Tools competitive.

It also destroyed the "value" of music by making people believe that anyone can be a "producer" by just buying a Mac and sourcing a copy of Logic...

They also constantly tweak their OS with the "side effect" of rendering other DAWs incompatible for weeks at a time... :)

Apple has it sussed...

« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 02:48:41 AM by Mixermap »

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 02:41:30 AM »
PS.: when I say "virtually free" I do mean it!

When owned by Emagic, Logic required a dongle to work (crackable, but in 2002 finding those things wasn't quite as easy as nowadays).
Apple removed the copy protection and just required a code for activation (easily passed on among friends...)
...BUT REQUIRED A MAC!

Let's be honest, Apple is hardly going to be worried about sales of Logic!!!

Now we are at this stage: (see pic) :D

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 04:00:22 PM »
thank you to the both of you for adding your commentary ;)

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2017, 11:24:55 AM »
Quote: "Edit#3 : I think what happened with Cakewalk is happening to other DAW's as well at the moment. I've been using StudioOne for awhile, but I dropped out at v3. It's to much ... you are supposed to be able to do everything ... yet end up getting nothing done."

You are correct 100%
From my experience of teaching Music Production at University for 15 years, I have seen the change.
When I first started lecturing in 2002 students were making music. By 2017 they are now collecting plug-ins and never finishing any tracks.

This is much more of a problem in Dance / Electronic Music but even Rock music is affected.

Hello, first post, and I want to agree with this point of view. I started making music with a PC in 1998. A cheap Celeron PC running Windows 95, Cakewalk 6.0 and a fitted with a basic Creative soundcard. I'd had Portastudios and other bits and bobs before, but the possibilities offered by this setup were inspiring. I made music!

As time has passed I've found making music with computers less and less fun. Too many possibilities and too much fiddling about. Not to mention the distraction of the internet!

In the intervening period I've had all types of music making setup, from returning to a 4 track and a guitar, to modern DAWs and even an analogue studio built around a 16-track 2" tape machine. I've also messed about with Ataris and Amigas, MIDI only macs running Cubase, 8 bit stuff, Game Boys and C64s.

I'm here because for me that first PC was the most inspiring setup I had. I'm currently in the process of setting up a small setup for making electronic music. At the heart of it will most probably be an old copy of Cakewalk, running on a non-networked PC.

If I can drag myself out of the studio, I may post here to ask for help and advice!  :)

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 04:47:37 AM »
PS.: when I say "virtually free" I do mean it!

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I'm shocked ! Can almost not belive it, maybe it is some kind of fraud ? I'm mainly using PC's for music, but have some iGadgets ... and was surprised to find that Garageband sold for only a few dollars ... in the end, for some unknown reason, I just got it for free. Weird.

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 04:52:45 AM »

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I'm here because for me that first PC was the most inspiring setup I had. I'm currently in the process of setting up a small setup for making electronic music. At the heart of it will most probably be an old copy of Cakewalk, running on a non-networked PC.

If I can drag myself out of the studio, I may post here to ask for help and advice!  :)

Interesting. I'm on a similar trajectory, let us know how it goes.

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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM »
apple used logic as a way to win over and secure the new macs place in the professional audio/video marketplace. (as of july 1st, 2002 - https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2002/07/01Apple-Acquires-Emagic/)

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Macintosh®-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic’s current revenues. Emagic’s Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002.

if u ask me that was a stupid mistake, business wise, unless there was an ulterior motive behind the purchase in the first place... it said first that emagic would continue as a wholly owned subsidary of apple, BUT they are killing all the windows products lol.. ok.. right!!! 45 percent of business is still a significant chunk of change to be made in the marketplace.. yet they chose to leave all the prior emagic customers in the prredicament of either changing software or buying a mac... aha! theres the profit ;)

how did we end up talking about logic in a cakewalk thread ? :)
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Re: CAKEWALK is no more! as of November 17,2017 killed by GIBSON!
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 02:37:07 PM »
apple used logic as a way to win over and secure the new macs place in the professional audio/video marketplace. (as of july 1st, 2002 - https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2002/07/01Apple-Acquires-Emagic/)

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Macintosh®-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic’s current revenues. Emagic’s Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002.

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how did we end up talking about logic in a cakewalk thread ? :)
I think it is because we are trying to figure out who's guilty of Cakewalks demise :)

I'm hanging around the Cakewalk Sonar forum at the moment, some discussion about whose fault that things went as they went ... prime suspects are Gibson, Roland and Cakewalk. Haven't seen Apple's name mentioned yet. Although there seem to be some discussion if the DAW market is overcrowded, and how probably only ProTools, Cubase and StudioOne will survive in the long run. I'm not so sure. I think we are at the cutting edge of the future right here ;)